typically none of these are 'bulking' orals. I've tried all 3, Tbol they say takes around 2-3 weeks to kick in, and the most noticeable benefit is strength...after a few weeks. Winny adds lean muscle and strength and is dry, so again, you won't see quick gains, or even big gains in comparison to dbol/anadrol. How much are you eating? These are comparatively weak steroids, so you'll need to eat big to see ''major muscle gain'' and even then, you'll prob be disappointed considering the orals you've chosen. Clen? You're trying to grow whilst taking clen?why?